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i think that's what boehner is trying to do. god bless him for it because it's not going to be easy but that's exactly what they have to do in order to figure out how do they become a political party, not a sunsetting party, but a political party that has force, not just within the walls of d.c. but outside as well. >> i'm reminded 69 words of george carlin who said it's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. joy, maria teresa, thank you. the guys who gave us the go go '90s call for even greater tax hikes than the president. shouldn't we listen to them? stay with us. >> please, do something frightening between now and the midterm elections because if you do not, the republicans will have to do something truly terrifying like addressing the needs of blacks, women, and hispanics. um... uh... um... hm... umm... uh... oh ! the windows phone 8x by htc on verizon. it features easy to navigate live tiles that are simple to customize. just pin what matters most right to your homescreen. exclusively with d
i think that's what boehner is trying to do. god bless him for it because it's not going to be easy but that's exactly what they have to do in order to figure out how do they become a political party, not a sunsetting party, but a political party that has force, not just within the walls of d.c. but outside as well. >> i'm reminded 69 words of george carlin who said it's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. joy, maria teresa, thank you. the guys who gave...
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i think for now it's a tactical move on boehner's party. it's not a declaration boehner is supporting ryan in 2016. >> but, jamal, isn't that the problem for the whole party? isn't the problem that this party, unless it can broaden and deal with the new america, the new electorate that they lost to in november -- >> bad. >> -- that they will never be able to regain footing and eventually just be a permanent marginal party? >> absolutely. they've got to figure out a way out of this box. paul ryan -- paul ryan and i are about the same age. these are different kinds of republicans. they're not afraid of talking to people of color, not afraid of some of these things, some of their parents and grandparents were. this is what i'm saying. democrats have to be careful. barack obama supporting a democrat in 2016 does not mean that democrat's going to get black and latino votes. these democrats are going to have to have solid programs that appeal to these constituencies and fundamental relationships and not be dependent upon the president to carry th
i think for now it's a tactical move on boehner's party. it's not a declaration boehner is supporting ryan in 2016. >> but, jamal, isn't that the problem for the whole party? isn't the problem that this party, unless it can broaden and deal with the new america, the new electorate that they lost to in november -- >> bad. >> -- that they will never be able to regain footing and eventually just be a permanent marginal party? >> absolutely. they've got to figure out a way...
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how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just his own caucus or conference, he wouldn't be able to get it done. to the vote in the house, i think for every -- i think there's more tom coles there than we know that won't speak up. >> why won't they speak up? are they waiting to see the next round of back and forth? >> well, that could be part of it, but also, they're a little bit concerned about what their constituents are going to say. they don't want their e-mail box bombarded by the heritage foundation. now you see two extreme views. i think you'll end up at the trillion dollar mark, and i think that speaker boehner will need a lot of of democrats but i think he'll get them if everybody can come to a plan. he can use his moderates and democrats and get the votes he needs. >> thank you all for your time. great pleasure to have you on the
how much pressure is speaker boehner under? does he have real allies at this point, since it seems he's being pulled in multiple directions here? >> speaker boehner is under enormous pressure, and if he needed to have this vote with just his own caucus or conference, he wouldn't be able to get it done. to the vote in the house, i think for every -- i think there's more tom coles there than we know that won't speak up. >> why won't they speak up? are they waiting to see the next...
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let's talk about some of john boehner's plan, though. john boehner is not moving off of rates. he's stilling talking about loophole closures. do you believe you can accomplish what needs to be done on the revenue side and let's step plate democrats have to be more specific about us entitlement side. can you accomplish what you need on the revenue side just by flattening deductions and closing loop snoels. >> it depends on where you set the cap, but i think what's happening here is that the speaker has put on the table revenues, very specific number, $800 billion, a big number compared to where he was before. the president has said $1.6 trillion. well, i think the obvious agreement here is 1.2. split the difference. how you get that extra 400 is an issue. there are a lot of ways to do it. revenues is not a complicated part of this situation. what is really more complex is the issue of how you get the entitlements controlled because there's really been no substantive ideas put forward on that get to the numbers that you really need to get to. now, what interestingly enough what t
let's talk about some of john boehner's plan, though. john boehner is not moving off of rates. he's stilling talking about loophole closures. do you believe you can accomplish what needs to be done on the revenue side and let's step plate democrats have to be more specific about us entitlement side. can you accomplish what you need on the revenue side just by flattening deductions and closing loop snoels. >> it depends on where you set the cap, but i think what's happening here is that...
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. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been short on specifics. >> i would say we're nowhere, period. we're nowhere. >> the same exact policies. >> this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks. >> you can't be serious. >> chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. >> get serious. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> the path to nowhere. >> be prepared for the plunge. >> i would say we're know where know where. >> there's clearly a chance. >>> today, john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan finally kind of sort of responded to the president's budget proposal, a proposal of their own that they were so unmarried to that they didn't put their names on it. they said the whole thing was er
. >> i feel almost sorry for john boehner. >> does john boehner have control of his caucus? >> will john boehner lead his sdmaukz. >> is he leading his caucus or will his caucus lead him? >> two party two is going to dwarf tea party one. >> this is embarrassing. >> he's the problem. >> he's willing to act like the election never happened. >> we're not getting anywhere. >> we're going over the cliff. >> it's the gop who has been...
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speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation
speaker boehner is ready today. let's get the job done. >> all right. congresswoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. thank you for coming on the show. come back, glad you're there in the negotiations talking to everybody. >> eugene robinson, final thoughts this block? >> well, you know, actually congress and the president have agreed on a huge deficit reduction package. it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went...
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. >> stephanie: let me borrow a term from john boehner, i am flabbergasted by the budget which they put forward, which is basically paul ryan's budget right? >> more or less. i mean it's basically a repeat. they come up with revenues but they won't touch tax rates, and they don't really say how they get the revenues. they would get it from what they call loopholes, deductions. they don't specify where it would come from, so really it's a combination of the ryan budget, and what romney -- governor romney began to say toward the end of the election when he was worried a they were being tabbed as the party of the very wealthy, so he said well, we won't lower taxes on the very wealthy, because we'll get ahold of loop holds and deductions but they never said what they were and they continue to evade. but mainly they evade the basic question, are we going to keep the high income tax breaks or are we not? and if they insist on keeping them, they are going to take themselves and the country over the cliff. >> stephanie: uh-huh. this is -- we have been saying -- i don't think this is fooling any
. >> stephanie: let me borrow a term from john boehner, i am flabbergasted by the budget which they put forward, which is basically paul ryan's budget right? >> more or less. i mean it's basically a repeat. they come up with revenues but they won't touch tax rates, and they don't really say how they get the revenues. they would get it from what they call loopholes, deductions. they don't specify where it would come from, so really it's a combination of the ryan budget, and what...
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speaker boehner $800 billion from tax reform. i think a logical number would be $1.4 trillion, $700 billion from reforms, $00 billion from tax rates, he did that, you got, some spending items earlier in the day, you could come up with numbers that would work. here's the bottom line. i think our goal in terms of the market should be a deficit that is small enough at the end of the deck kate that our tet to g.d.p. ratio stabilizes. if we can get it stable by the end they have decade, we're golden, in the sense that we're not going to solve our problems forever but we're going to solve our problems now, the markets will be ok, businesses will be ok, and the economy fundamentals will improve. raising the rates. >> the deductibility to get to 700,000 -- >> you asked the question, you get the money. right here. tax policy center october 17. the answer is, you get the money from the deductions. and the question is why we would want to push rethe rates higher and higher, why we'd want to move further and further away from the simpson bow
speaker boehner $800 billion from tax reform. i think a logical number would be $1.4 trillion, $700 billion from reforms, $00 billion from tax rates, he did that, you got, some spending items earlier in the day, you could come up with numbers that would work. here's the bottom line. i think our goal in terms of the market should be a deficit that is small enough at the end of the deck kate that our tet to g.d.p. ratio stabilizes. if we can get it stable by the end they have decade, we're...
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just like that, a proposal that john boehner puts out. he's trying to say that it is from the bowles proposal but erskine bowles came out yesterday and said flat out that the proposal the republicans put out does not mimic his. therefore, the republicans are lying again. republicans and the tea party people, they know that they are lying. it is just that simple. the president put out a proposal. ok. don't criticize the president for the proposal. show us a real proposal. do not ask us to trust you. host: reporting in "the new york times." republicans say their counteroffer is close to the numbers supported last year by erskine bowles. he said last week his numbers offered testimony to a special bipartisan congressional committee on a visit reduction were not so much a plan as a back of the envelopes addressed and to show a deal could be struck somewhere between mr. obama's position in the speaker during their talks last year. next caller, colorado, independent line. caller: i think's he's been as a great way for people to have their voice
just like that, a proposal that john boehner puts out. he's trying to say that it is from the bowles proposal but erskine bowles came out yesterday and said flat out that the proposal the republicans put out does not mimic his. therefore, the republicans are lying again. republicans and the tea party people, they know that they are lying. it is just that simple. the president put out a proposal. ok. don't criticize the president for the proposal. show us a real proposal. do not ask us to trust...
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the president has more leverage than he obviously had last summer. >> and -- and -- if boehner can't control his caucus then he shouldn't be speaker, unless they are absolutely convinced that eric cantor can't get the vote. >> stephanie: yes. charlie how do you see this playing out? >> i'm still very -- i'm still -- i'm about to harsh stephanie's mellow here -- i'm a little bit worried that the president might have that little tinker bell on his shoulder saying make a deal just to make a deal. >> oh, dear. >> but i think there will be stimulus no substantive cuts to medicare benefits. i don't believe there will be any touching of social security but i'm not entirely saying that won't come up down the road. but whatever deal is stwruk is going to be within the universe you know, set out by geithner's original proposal. >> stephanie: that's good news but i'm reading a story, gop leaders may be pondering a deal on taxes. letting the top marginal rates go up blah blah blah. i have been saying like there is part of me -- if they stick with where they are now, why don't we go down as you c
the president has more leverage than he obviously had last summer. >> and -- and -- if boehner can't control his caucus then he shouldn't be speaker, unless they are absolutely convinced that eric cantor can't get the vote. >> stephanie: yes. charlie how do you see this playing out? >> i'm still very -- i'm still -- i'm about to harsh stephanie's mellow here -- i'm a little bit worried that the president might have that little tinker bell on his shoulder saying make a deal...
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so, just does speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> guest: i think the question will be does the president have the votes? because the speaker put some things out in terms of entitlements and democrats are willing and screaming that can't be part of it, yet all of them privately will tell you what's driving the deficit more than any single thing of medicare and medicaid and longer-term social security, so the mere fact that we are discussing those types of things fit. in terms of the votes, look, if it's going to be a deal there has to be votes from both sides. the reality is -- and these guys, the president and the speaker dealt with one another before. they've never been able to come to a deal. they came to a huge deal during the lame-duck session in 2010 on extending the bush tax cuts. they came to another deal without shutting down the government in april of 2011 cutting discretionary spending by billions of dollars and they came to another one on the debt ceiling as well which was a 2.2 trillion dollar long-term reduction in ex
so, just does speaker boehner have the votes for his proposal? >> guest: i think the question will be does the president have the votes? because the speaker put some things out in terms of entitlements and democrats are willing and screaming that can't be part of it, yet all of them privately will tell you what's driving the deficit more than any single thing of medicare and medicaid and longer-term social security, so the mere fact that we are discussing those types of things fit. in...
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please reach out to john boehner at speaker boehner on twitter. gracey saying why do republicans keep harping about entitlements. they're earned benefits. is it to satisfy some deep-seated sadistic need to starve people? allen says i have an idea! let's let speaker boehner live on my paycheck for a month. i bring home $480 every two weeks after taxes. and damian says he reached out to speaker boehner on twitter and said i told him he was wrong and bill, speaker boehner started crying. he's very sad. >> bill: i guess -- we've been asking everybody to get in touch with this office and tell them to lead or get out of the way. lead or resign because he's showing no leadership by sticking to the same old tired arguments that they were -- that we heard before november 6th. but i guess we should have warned people that -- expect him to break down. >> feelings may get hurt. >> emotional guy. >> bill: you know where he was last night man. he might be total anti-obama, unwilling to compromise, not willing to even recognize there was an election but he was a
please reach out to john boehner at speaker boehner on twitter. gracey saying why do republicans keep harping about entitlements. they're earned benefits. is it to satisfy some deep-seated sadistic need to starve people? allen says i have an idea! let's let speaker boehner live on my paycheck for a month. i bring home $480 every two weeks after taxes. and damian says he reached out to speaker boehner on twitter and said i told him he was wrong and bill, speaker boehner started crying. he's very...
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this is the first time boehner got his entire leadership team, including cantor and paul ryan to sign a plan that called for the raising of revenue. so what is the republican counteroffer? $800 billion in tax revenue by closing loopholes and deductions. should point out that would affect families with an income of $250,000 or more. >> brian: they're going to leave the charitable deduction and talking about leaving the mortgage deduction. there is other deductions. they got to get specific at this point. the selection over. >> gretchen: it would have included 600 billion in entitlement cuts and other programs, extends the bush era tax cuts for everybody and it raises the medicare retirement age and, of course, democrats are very testy about that because they don't want to do that at all. i believe have raised it from 65 to 67. what's important is what steve alluded to, which is boehner -- >> brian: as opposed to what i allude to inasmuch but it included. >> gretchen: it included the top members of the republican party. eric cantor and paul ryan also signed on to this closing of the loo
this is the first time boehner got his entire leadership team, including cantor and paul ryan to sign a plan that called for the raising of revenue. so what is the republican counteroffer? $800 billion in tax revenue by closing loopholes and deductions. should point out that would affect families with an income of $250,000 or more. >> brian: they're going to leave the charitable deduction and talking about leaving the mortgage deduction. there is other deductions. they got to get specific...
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so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly could have more things in it that they don't like. so maybe it's not, as far as a starting point, they actual ply were surprised that republicans -- >> the saying on this one, is he crazy? >> maybe. >> all right. so so far both plans have proposed entitlement cuts but neither has given any specifics. the gop plan calls for an increase in tax revenue but no specifics on where that will come from. how much of this is a real negotiation and how much of it is just politics as usual? >> right now a lot of this is politics and posturing, and sort of openi
so that's $200 billion less than speaker boehner's. also something in here that the white house has proposed as a nonstarter for house republicans was having congress give up their debt limit vote. the white house is call being speaker boehner's counteroffer not serious. they're saying there needs to be specifics. but i will tell you that democratic leadership made in a moment of i guess you could say truth, that it does pass the last test. obviously democrats don't like it but it certainly...
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boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 17, 2012, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate . the chair will alternate recognition between the parties with each party limited to one hour and each member other than the majority and minority leaders and the minority whip limited to five minutes each, but in no event shall debate continue beyond 11:50 a.m. the chair recognizes the gentleman from oregon, mr. defazio, for five minutes. mr. defazio: well, yesterday the republicans released a vague press release saying it constituted a counteroffer to the president's road map to avoid driving over the fiscal cliff. now, the republican plan purports to cut $1.3 trillion and raise $800 billion in new revenues. it did contain four specifics. four. cut medicare specific number one. $600 billion. cut medicaid, pays for nursing homes for seniors, of course. priority number two. three, cut th
boehner, speaker of the house of representatives. the speaker pro tempore: pursuant to the order of the house of january 17, 2012, the chair will now recognize members from lists submitted by the majority and minority leaders for morning hour debate . the chair will alternate recognition between the parties with each party limited to one hour and each member other than the majority and minority leaders and the minority whip limited to five minutes each, but in no event shall debate continue...